But I do think youre a bit of a So the thing is, we have this phrase, old and wise. But the truth is that a lot of people just grow old, it doesnt necessarily come with it. And it sounds like thunder? enough of the animal saving me, enough of the high Its Spanish and English, and Im trying, and Ill look at him and be like, How much degrees is it?, And hes like, Are you trying to ask me what the weather is?. I love it that youre already thinking that. Tippett: So I love it when I feel like the conversations Im having start to be in conversation with each other. We hold each other. So its a very special place. Thats the work of poetry in general, right? So its this weird moment of being aware of it and then also letting it go at the same time. On Being with Krista Tippett On Being Studios Society & Culture 4.6 9.1K Ratings; A season of big, new, beautiful On Being conversations is here. The fear response, the stress response, it had so many other kinds of ripple effects that were so perplexing. A special offering from Krista Tippett and all of us at On Being: an incredible, celebratory event listening back and remembering forwards across 20 years of this show in the good company of our beloved friend and former guest, Rev. Tippett: And when you say I know one shouldnt take poems apart like this, but The thesis is the river. What does that mean? How am I? You could really go to some deep places if you really interrogated the self. Yeah. And I knew that at 15. This hour, Krista draws out her creative and pragmatic inquiry: Could we let ourselves be led by what we already know how to do, and by what we have it in us to save? The one that always misses where Im not, Limn: Yeah, I was convinced. What. Supporting organizations and initiatives that uphold a sacred relationship with life on Earth. Learn more at kalliopeia.org. Tune in now. As . Yet whats most stunning is how presciently and exquisitely Ocean spoke, and continues to speak, to the world we have since come to inhabit its heartbreak and its poetry, its possibilities for loss and for finding new life. a certain light does a certain thing, enough Okay. Limn: I think its very dangerous not to have hope. And this particular poem was written after the 2017 fires in my home valley of Sonoma. Theres how I stand in the lawn, thats one way. reading skills. And I think about that all the time. In fact, my mother is and was an atheist. And its true. Yeah. But I think you are a prodigy for growing older and wiser. I dont know why this, but this. And I remember reading it was Elizabeth Bishops. Adventures into what can replenish and orient us in this wild ride of a time to be alive: biomimicry and the science of awe; spiritual contrarianism and social creativity; pause and poetry and more towards stretching into this world ahead with dignity . Before the dogs chain. For her voice of insistent honesty and wholeness and wisdom and joyfulness. Im Krista Tippett, and this is On Being. And it is definitely wine country and all of the things that go along with that. And we all have this, our childhood stories. Limn: Yeah, I think theres so much value in grief. Because I was teaching on Zoom, and I was just a face, and I found myself being very comfortable with just being a face, and with just being a head. Cracking time open, seeing its true manifold nature, expands a sense of the possible in the here and the now. Tippett: Which also makes it spiritual practice. You ever think you could cry so hard We inhabit a liminal time between what we thought we knew and what we cant quite yet see. Music: Seven League Boots by Zo Keating. It is still the wind. Groundbreaking Peabody Award-winning conversation about the big questions of meaning, hosted by Krista Tippett. now even when it is ordinary. I feel like theres a level in which it offers us a place to be that feels closer to who we are, because there is always that interesting moment where someone asks you who you are, even just the simple question of, How are you? If we really took a minute to think about it, How am I? It was interesting to me to realize how people turned to you in pandemic because of who you are, it sounds like. And I was in the backyard by myself, as many of us were by ourselves. Nov 19, 2022, 8:00pm PST. But in reality its home to so many different kind of wildlife. Limn: Yeah. and the stoic farmer and faith and our father and tis Before the divorce. Limn: Yeah. Oh, thank you. Tippett: I chose a couple of poems that you wrote again that kind of speak to this. Yeah. We honor poets and poetry as necessary companions in mustering words spacious and generous enough to reach across the mystery of ourselves and the mystery of each other. And its true. And the last voice that you hear singing at the end of our show is Cameron Kinghorn. And that between space was the only space that really made sense to me. Im so excited for your tenure representing poetry and representing all of us, and Im excited that you have so many more years of aging and writing and getting wiser ahead, and we got to be here at this early stage. Yes I am. But I trust those moments. I think its very dangerous not to have hope. We orient away from the closure of fear and towards the opening of curiosity. All year, in an oblivion-is-coming sort of way. These are heavier, page 86 and page 87. Sometimes it sounds, sometimes its image, sometimes its a note from a friend with the word lover. Funny thing about grief, its hold Yeah. I would say about 50 percent, maybe 60 percent of it was written during the pandemic. Then in 2018, she published a brilliant essay called "Complicating the Narratives," which she opened by confessing a professional existential crisis. Its a prose poem. In fact, Krista interviewed the wise and wonderful . And its page six of. And also that notion and these are other things you said that poetry recognizes our wholeness. Its Spanish and English, and Im trying, and Ill look at him and be like, How much degrees is it?. But the song didnt mean anything, just a call, to the field, something to get through before, the pummeling of youth. I also think aging is underrated. We understand love as the most reliably transformative muscle of human wholeness, and we investigate the workings of love as public practice. If youre having trouble writing or creating or whatever it is you make, when was the last time you just sat in silence with yourself and listened to what was happening? Theres shower silent and bath silent and California silent and Kentucky silent and car silent and then theres a silence that comes back, a million times bigger than me, sneaks into my bones and wails and wails and wails until I cant be quiet anymore. We envision a world that is more fluent in its own humanity and thus able to rise to the great challenges and promise of this century. I grew up in Glen Ellen in Sonoma, California, born and raised. [laughs] I get four parents that come to the school nights. And I felt like I was not brave enough to own that for myself. Her six books of poetry include, most recently, The Hurting Kind. And when people describe you as a poet, theyll talk about things about intimacy and emotional sincerity and your observations of the natural world. Because I couldnt decide which ones I wanted you to read. Tippett: And also, I read somewhere that Sundays were a day that you were moving back and forth between your two homes, your parents divorced and everybody remarried. And also that notion and these are other things you said that poetry recognizes our wholeness. Which makes me laugh, in an oblivion-is-coming sort of way. So we have to do this another time. us, still right now, a softness like a worn fabric of a nightshirt. Limn: It is still the wind. In all kinds of lives, in all kinds of places, they are healers and social creatives. Krista Tippett founded and leads "The On Being Project," hosts the globally esteemed On Being public radio show and podcast, and curates the "Civil Conversat. And I think for all of us, kind of mark this, which is important. and then, a need to nestle deep into the safekeeping of sky. Sometimes youre, and so much of its. Editor's note: This Q&A has been adapted from the podcast "Interfaith America with Eboo Patel.". Dr. Rachel Naomi Remen is one of the wise people in our world. And coming in future weeks, is a conversation with a technologist and artist named James Bridle, whose point is that language itself, the sounds we made and the words we finally formed, and the imagery and the metaphors were all primally, organically rooted in the natural world of which we were part. How are you?. body. [laughs]. And enough so that actually, as I would always sort of interrogate her about her beliefs and, Do you think this, do you think that? And the Q has the tail of a monkey, and weve forgotten this. And its continual and that it hits you sometimes. maybe dove, maybe dunno to be honest, too embryonic, too see-through and wee. for it again, the hazardous All came, and still comes, from the natural world. That arresting notion, and the distinction Rachel Naomi Remen draws between curing and healing, makes this an urgent offering to our world of healing we are all called to receive and to give. so mute its almost in another year. Limn: Yeah. Dedicated to reconnecting ecology, culture, and spirituality. The On Being Project So we have to do this another time. is an independent nonprofit production of The On Being Project. And I think about that all the time. We want to orient towards that possibility. Foundations 4: Calling and Wholeness On Being with Krista Tippett Society & Culture In the modern western world, vocation was equated with work. The caesura and the line breaks, its breath. One of the most popular episodes in the history of "On Being," the 15-year-old public-radio program hosted by the honey-voiced Krista Tippett, is a conversation Tippett had more than ten years ago with the late Irish poet and philosopher John O'Donohue on the subject of the inner landscape of beauty. She is a former host of the poetry podcast. KRISTA TIPPETT, HOST: We're increasingly attentive, in our culture, to the many faces of depression and its cousin, anxiety, and we're fluent in the languages of psychology and medication.But depression is profound spiritual territory; and that is much harder . But he is driven by passionate callings older and deeper than his public vocation as an actor and comedian. Between the ground and the feast is where I live now. That really spoke to me, on my sofa. Also: Kristin Brogdon, Lindsey Siders, Brad Kern, John Marks, Emery Snow and the entire staff at both Northrop and the Ted Mann Concert Hall of the University of Minnesota. I was actually born at home. Shes written six books of poetry, most recently, won the National Book Critics Circle Award for Poetry, and her volume, . My grandmother is 98. And its page six of The Hurting Kind. even the tenacious high school band off key. Two families, two different People will ask me a lot about my process and it is, like I said, silence. They bring our nervous system and heartbeat and breath into sync and even into sync with other bodies around us. on the back of my dads has lost everything, when its not a weapon, when it flickers, when it folds up so perfectly, you can keep it until its needed, until you can, love it again, until the song in your mouth feels, like sustenance, a song where the notes are sung. But I think there was something deeper going on there, which was that idea of, Oh, this is when you pack up and you move. And I even had a pet mouse named Fred, which you would think I wouldve had a more creative name for the mouse, but his name was Fred. Im really longing I realized as I was preparing for this, Im just Of course, I read poetry, I read a lot of poetry in these last years, but I realized Im craving hearing poetry. like something almost worth living for. and enough of the pointing to the world, weary "Right now we are in a fast river together every day there are changes that seemed unimaginable until they occurred." adrienne maree brown and others use many . And the Sonoma Coast is a really special place in terms of how its been preserved and protected throughout the years. My familys all in California. by being seen. Because I was teaching on Zoom, and I was just a face, and I found myself being very comfortable with just being a face, and with just being a head. One of the most fascinating developments of our time is that human qualities we have understood in terms of virtue experiences weve called spiritual are now being taken seriously by science as intelligence as elements of human wholeness. And you also wrote about that, and you also wrote this essay. Tippett: And poetry is absolutely this is not something I knew would happen when I started this but poetry now is at the heart of On Being, its woven through everything. It has ever and always been true, David Whyte reminds us, that so much of human experience is a conversation between loss and celebration. Definitely. And I would just have these whole moments when people would be like, Oh, and then well meet in person. And I was like, , I dont want you to witness my body. Starting Thursday, February 2: three months of soaring new On Being conversations, with an eye towards emergence. I remember having this experience I was sort of very deeply alone during the early days of the pandemic when my husbands work brought him to another state. We practice moral imagination; we embrace paradoxical curiosity; we sit with conflict and complexity; we create openings instead of seeking answers or providing reductive simplicity. Youre going to be like, huh. Or youll just be like, That makes total sense to me., The thesis. On Being is an independent nonprofit production of The On Being Project. So I think were going to just have a lot of poetry tonight. Thats such a wonderful question. Maybe that speaks for itself. But time is more spacious than we imagine it to be, and it is more of a friend than we always know. And I remember sitting on my sofa where I spent an inordinate amount of time, and reading it. for all its gross tenderness, a joke told in a sunbeam, And so I have Limn: I love it. Limn: There was a bit of like, Eww, lover. [laughter], Easy light storms in through the window, soft Tippett: You see what I did? is so bright and determined like a flame, I think grief is something that is very We have so much to grieve even as we have so much to walk towards. So Sundays were a different kind of practice, if you will, a different kind of observation. We meet longings for justice and healing by equipping for reflection, repair, and joy. These, it turns out, are as common in human life globally as they are measurably health-giving and immunity-boosting. [Music: Seven League Boots by Zo Keating]. Page 87. that thered be nothing left in you, like, until every part of it is run through with, days a little hazy with fever and waiting, for the water to stop shivering out of the. Yeah. Youre very young. I am a hearth of spiders these days: a nest of trying. Tippett: Yeah. [laughter] But I think you are a prodigy for growing older and wiser. Tippett: Thank you. Exactly. And I think its in that category. They are honoring and recovering the fullness of the human experience the life of the mind, the truth of the body, the wild mystery of the spirit, and our need for each other. Something I remember reading is that you grew up in an English-speaking household, but your paternal grandfather spoke Spanish and that you just loved to listen to him. Copyright 2023. On Being is an hour-long radio show and podcast, hosted by Krista Tippett. The bright side is not talked about. Limn: And then Ill say this, that the Library of Congress, theyre amazing, and the Librarian of Congress, Dr. Carla Hayden, had me read this poem, so. Yeah. And I knew that at 15. And if you cant have hope, I think we need a little awe, or a little wonder, or at least a little curiosity. Patel is a Deseret contributor. Its so interesting because I feel like one of the things as you age, as an artist, as a human being, you start to rethink the stories that people have told you and start to wonder what was useful and what was not useful. people could point to us with the arrows they make in their minds. Yeah. I wrote it and then I immediately sent it to an editor whos a friend of mine and said, I dont know if you want this. And it was up the next day on the website. We think were divided by issues, arguing about conflicting facts. and hand, the space between. Limn: Yeah. Musings and tools to take into your week. Limn: When I lived in New York City, my two best friends, I would always try to get them to go to yoga with me. And it feels important to me whenever Im in a room right now and I havent been in that many rooms with this many people sitting close together that we all just acknowledge that even if we all this exact same configuration of human beings had sat in this exact room in February 2020, and were back now, were changed at a cellular level. Tippett: Was there a religious or spiritual background in your childhood there, however you would describe that now? No, to the rising tides. Because how do we care for one another? What if we stood up with our synapses and flesh and said. This is not a problem. Shes written, Science polishes the gift of seeing, Indigenous traditions work with gifts of listening and language. An expert in moss a bryologist she describes mosses as the coral reefs of the forest. Robin Wall Kimmerer opens a sense of wonder and humility for the intelligence in all kinds of life we are used to naming and imagining as inanimate. Where being at ease is not okay. We prioritize busyness. Tippett: As we turn the corner from pandemic, although we will not completely turn the corner, I just wanted to read something you wrote on Twitter, which was hilarious. Interesting. And poetry doesnt really allow you to do that because its working in the smallest units of sound and syllable and clause and line break and then the sentence. no one has been writing the year lately. Alice Parker Singing Is the Most Companionable of Arts. So it had this kind of wonderful way of existing in an aliveness of a language, aliveness of a second language as opposed to just sort of a need to get something or to use. , its woven through everything. Black bark, slick yellow leaves, a kind of stillness that feels You said a minute ago that the poetry has breath built into it, and you said also that, you have said: its meant to make us breathe. Once it has been witnessed, and buried, I go about my day, which isnt, ordinary, exactly, because nothing is ordinary, now even when it is ordinary. On Being with Krista Tippett December 6, 2016. And I remember sitting on my sofa where I spent an inordinate amount of time, and reading it. Join our constellation of listening and living. [laughter] Were like, Ugh, I feel calmer.. Krista interviewed her in 2015, and it quickly became a much-loved show as her voice was just rising in common life. God, which I dont think were going to get to talk about today. into anothers green skin, We are fluent in the story of our time marked by catastrophe and dysfunction. And I know that when I discovered it for myself as a teenager that I thought, Oh, this is more like music where its like something is expressing itself to you and you are expressing yourself to it. We have been in the sun. And the one Id love you to read is Not the Saddest Thing in the World. This is the one where I felt like theres subtlety to it, but you just named so much in there. So you get to have this experience with language that feels somewhat disjointed, and in that way almost feels like, Oh, this makes more sense as the language for our human experience than, lets say, a news report.. And so I gave up on it. We want to rise to what is beautiful and life-giving. I think there was also he also was a singer, so he would just sing. I feel like I could hear that response, right? like water, elemental, and best when its humbled, and desperate, enough of the brutal and the border, enough of can you see me, can you hear me, enough. And there are times where I think people have said as a child, Oh, you come from a broken home. And I remember thinking, Its not broken, its just bigger. Shes teaching me a lesson. The notion of frontier inner frontiers, outer frontiers weaves through this hour. Theres whole books about how to breathe. Tippett: Thats so wonderful. I think its definitely a writing prompt too, right? And then what we find in the second poem is a kind of evolution. We keep forgetting about Antlia, Centaurus, I wrote in my notes, just my little note about what this was about, recycling and the meaning of it all. I dont think thats . Tippett: I wrote in my notes, just my little note about what this was about, recycling and the meaning of it all. I dont think thats [laughter]. We are located on Dakota land. So you get to have this experience with language that feels somewhat disjointed, and in that way almost feels like, Oh, this makes more sense as the language for our human experience than, lets say, a news report.. My body is for me. [audience laughter] And it really struck me that how much I was like, How do I move through this world? Remembering what it is to be a body, I think to be a woman who moves through the world with a body, who gets commented on the body. Tippett: You said a minute ago that the poetry has breath built into it, and you said also that, you have said: its meant to make us breathe. days a little hazy with fever and waiting And then thats also the space for us to sort of walk in as a reader being like, Whats happening here? Krista Tippett is Peabody Award-winning broadcaster and New York Times best-selling author. And it was just me, the dog, and the cat, and the trees. Limn: Yeah. Ive got a bone. The Adventure of Civility. So its this weird moment of being aware of it and then also letting it go at the same time. Tippett: Look at all these people. It unfolded at the Ted Mann Concert Hall in Minneapolis, in collaboration with Northrop at the University of Minnesota and Ada Limns publisher, Milkweed Editions. Its the . Yeah. And sometimes when youre going through it, you can kind of see the mono-crop of vineyards that its become. Is it okay? The danger of all poets and I think artists in general, is it some moment we think we dont deserve to do this work because what does it do? And you could so a lot of what he knew in Spanish and remembered in Spanish were songs. And whats good for my body and my mental health. All of those things. In between my tasks, I find a dead fledgling, I dont even mourn him, just all matter-of-, fact-like take the trowel, plant the limp body, thing, forever close-eyed, under a green plant, in the ground, under the feast up above. Tippett: Maybe that speaks for itself. Renamed On Being with Krista Tippett, the show was broadcast on more than 400 stations nationwide and, as a podcast, was regularly downloaded millions of times a month. I live in the low parts now, most Rate. No, question marks. Find Krista Tippett's email address, contact information, LinkedIn, Twitter, other social media and more. recycling bin until you say, Man, we should really learn And it was an incredible treat to interview her before 1,000 people, packed together in a concert hall on a cold Minnesota night. And that feels like its an active thing as opposed to a finished thing, a closed thing. Youre going to be like, huh. Or youll just be like, That makes total sense to me., At the top of the mountain And I feel like poetry makes the world for that experience, as opposed to: Im fine., Tippett: [laughs] Yeah. Yeah, there wasnt a religious practice. Limn: Oh, definitely. So is his love and study of the farmer-poet Wendell Berry, whose audiobook The Need to Be Whole Nick just recorded. Yeah. I write the year, seems like a year you Limn: Yeah. These are heavier, page 86 and page 87. We just ask questions. What if we stood up with our synapses and flesh and said, No. It wasnt used as a tool. Tippett: If you had thought about it And you said that this would be the poem that would mean that you would never be Poet Laureate. is a murderous light, so strong. We endeavor to make goodness and complexity riveting. what you would miss. But its true. This is science that invites us to nourish the brains we need, young and old, to live in this world. And I found it really useful, a really useful tool to go back in and start to think about what was just no longer true, or maybe had never been true. people could point to us with the arrows they make in their minds. An electric conversation with Ada Limns wisdom and her poetry a refreshing, full-body experience of how this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being human at all times, but especially now. I grew up in Glen Ellen in Sonoma, California, born and raised. And one of them this is also on The Hurting Kind is Lover, which is page 77. I mean, isnt this therapeutic also for us all to laugh about this now, also to know that we can laugh about it now? Then three years later, Tippett left American Public Media to create her own production company, Krista Tippett Public Productions, which has aligned with WNYC/New York Public Radio to distribute the show to affiliates nationwide. Now, somethings, breaking always on the skyline, falling over To love harder? I write. Yeah. It is the world and the trees and the grasses and the birds looking back. And then I would be like, Okay, I was there. And the next day Id wake up and be like, Well, I was there yesterday. Every week: practices and goodies to accompany your listen. Or theres just something happens and you get all of a sudden for it to come flooding back. Our lovely theme music is provided and composed by Zo Keating. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. thats sung in silence when its too hard to go on, that sounds like someones rough fingers weaving, into anothers, that sounds like a match being lit, in an endless cave, the song that says my bones. of thee, enough of bosom and bud, skin and god if we declared a clean night, if we stopped being terrified. And I think most poets are drawn to that because it feels like what were always trying to do is say something that cant always entirely be said, even in the poem, even in the completed poem. Im really glad youre enjoying it because theres many more decades. On her show she promoted her new book, Einstein's God, and if the show is any indication, this new enterprise promises to be a fun fest for people inclined . I trust those moments where it feels like, Oh, right, this is a weird. Language is strange, and its evolving. red glare and then there are the bombs. Only my head is for you. It was interesting to me to realize how people turned to you in pandemic because of who you are, it sounds like. Tippett: Yeah, because its made with words, but its also sensory and its bodily. But at a deeper level, she says, we are trapped in a pattern of distress known as high conflict where the conflict itself has become the point, and it sweeps everything into its vortex. To talk about today as common in human life globally as they are health-giving. Project so we have to do this another time many other kinds of ripple effects that were so perplexing of. 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