Wow, I found Ms. Shirers book Fervent very helpful and uplifting. Do you have other references to their false teaching? Where does Priscilla get the idea that God is supposed to be speaking in these ways? Go beyond what's fair. It just says dont. Period. Disclaimer: The specific links below are provided and endorsed as evidence pertaining to this article only. Nehemiah 8:10 Verse Concepts Genesis 24:15-20, Denomination: If false teachers and their followers would simply repent and believe and obey Scripture, there would be no more division in the Body. 4. Therefore, it is my recommendation that women not follow, support, or receive teaching from Priscilla Shirer or Going Beyond Ministries at this time. THERE WERE All comments are handled manually, and I do not publish comments which promote false doctrine. If you have Priscillas contact information and can get her to talk to me (Ive attempted to communicate with her several times and have been ignored), I will be delighted to discuss this issue and the entirety of this article with her. Reblogged this on Eternally Secured and commented: Hummm. You could choose to simply pick up your Bible and study it. Yes, Im afraid thats exactly whats happening. That must have been before she asked for (and received) her pastors and husbands permission to teach men in her Sunday School class. Priscilla has also admitted in her book Discerning the Voice of God, p.39, that she reads herself into Scripture, an unbiblical practice sometimes called narcissistic eisegesis or narcigesis. If you could give me some rightly handled, in context, chapter and verse Scripture to back up your opinions and beliefs, we could talk about it. It often times fails. No, Im not violating Scripture by teaching men when they read or comment on my blog. You decide. #1- Thank you so much for letting me know that link was broken. (Edited to add- After I posted this comment, I noticed your comment was addressed to Seth Dunn, not to me. I am asking the following question to understand your doctrinal views. Here they are promoting silence. Again, when the Bible says not to do something, and a person does it anyway, this is sin. http://the-end-time.blogspot.com/2012/10/introducing-priscilla-shirer-and-jesus.html. Go beyond putting ourselves first. There is no dearth of advice for us believers about how to deal with this situation. Heres an example of Priscilla preaching to men and yoking with a false teacher as she preaches the Sunday sermon at Joel Osteens Lakewood Church: Priscilla teaches Christians to listen for Gods voice in an unbiblical form of prayer called contemplative prayer. Now, I believe I have clearly answered all of your questions both here, in the article, and in the Additional Resources section, so let me add just one extra thing. Then why did you ask me any questions? Watch videos of Shirer speaking, listen to her sermons, read her books, and compare them all with what Scripture says. After a bit of research on Ms. Shirer, Im determined that shes one to beware of. Warning people away from false teaching is not gossip. Sermon by Rick Crandall In the videos Ive viewed, there are only women involved (with the exception of the camera guys and the lighting guys.) Jesus starts with a biblical truth and uses a story (parable) to illustrate or give an example of that biblical truth. - Femina Sola Gratia Is she a false teacher? Like you, I also dont understand why believers behave the way they do- taking to task those who stand firmly upon the truth of Gods word instead of rebuking and rejecting false teachers such as Priscilla Shirer, when this is so clearly what Scripture says to do. I understand that you have your opinion about Mrs Shirer but to judge I do not think God led you to write this check your heart. Esther 4:16 fasting. If not, she does not know the Bible well enough to be teaching (James 3:1). Now to Him who, in exercise of His power that is at work within us, is able to do infinitely beyond all our highest prayers or thoughts-- World English Bible Now to him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, Young's Literal Translation 1 Samuel 30:6-8, Denomination: But when an author rebukes another Christian publicly, as you have Ms. Shirer, than perhaps they may be asked to clarify further? Remember, Scripture, not our ideas and opinions are what we must follow and obey. *It's always a good idea to look back over life and think about the people who have made a difference: People who helped us in a time of need. In the first approximately 90 seconds of the video you can clearly see and hear men in the audience, and in her introductory remarks, Prisicilla indicates that she is preaching the Sunday service at this church. The word astonished means to be struck with amazement. I cant but take this article with only a grain of salt. John 14:1-4, Luke 10:18-20, 1 Corinthians 15:19. Going Beyond Obedience. Romans 4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. Id recommend starting with Rock Your Role FAQs #11, then moving on to Jill in the Pulpit. Run as far away from both of them as possible. Hi Osa- Not off the top of my head. And the only way to do that is to not only study/read the Word of God in its *entirety* but believe and apply it. read more, Scripture: What is a defining moment? Neil knows much more about New Testament studies than I do, but I'm not sure how far forward we can go with the New Testament, given that most of its writers believed their world was about to pass away. Also, there are some great resources here. However, from time to time, I get people who comment or send e-mails pretending to genuinely want help just so they can get their comments published and who then proceed to argue and twist Scripture in subsequent comments. She has been doing so for years. She does. I read myself into scripture, too! I KNOW this is a looooong series of questions about Priscilla Shirer that was stimulated by your post. Thank you, Daisy. One Sunday, the preacher went on for a little longer than normal. 52-week preaching calendar to help you plan your sermons, Customizable sermon manuscripts for verse-by-verse preaching, Preach with creativity and impact throughout the year, [NEW YEAR] 4-Week Series to kick off 2023, [PRODUCTIVITY] Fulfill your full potential, [FOUNDATIONS] Getting back to what matters most. Yes, hope is needed, and no youre not going to find it on the news, but youre not going to find true hope in Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer, either, because not only can you not find hope in bad news (like the TV news) but you cant find hope in false news either, and thats what they teach. Your sermon reminded me about Peace of God and Love Well since thats the case, why dont you study and agree with what the Bible says? Any more credible sources out there? It states our purpose to do only those things which are authorized by the Scripture. Is she a false teacher? Just put the books aside and pick up His word and study it for yourself. There is no way to be saved by putting your faith in a false christ. This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. You are spot on. Was Jesus gossiping in Matthew 16:6, 11,12 when He said, Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees? Philippians 4:13 Verse Concepts I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. 3 Tests Of Plagiarism: Do Your Sermons Pass Them. ), but 2 Corinthians 6:14ff and 2 John 9-11, among other passages, are very clear that we are not to partner with those who teach false doctrine, which Catholicism, Word of Faith, and many other churches do. Click on link: #FerventFridays - Week 1 - Your Passion. Love Your Life 2018 (March 20, 2019) with Victoria Osteen and Terri Savelle Foy, Know Your God | Joyce Meyer and Priscilla Shirer (In this clip, Priscilla also gushes over Henry Blackaby who mishandles Scripture and teaches a form of mysticism. What we believe about that is irrelevant. Sometimes the Bible can be difficult because it steps on our toes, but I promise, I will always point you Scripture, not to stories, fluff, false doctrine, or your own opinions, feelings, and experiences. she said what she means by that is, to see biblical womanhood flourish would be a great joy! read more, Scripture: 2. The true bride will always go beyond the minimal requirements. And because of those issues, I deeply regret that I am not able to recommend her as I would like to. Basic is enough for brand new believers (and again, what Beth and Priscilla teach is not basic, its false doctrine). There are two ways in which living in Christ helps us live beyond our fears: knowing that He is completely trustworthy, and doing as He calls us to do. And if I perish, I perish. If youre not familiar with the false teachers cited below, click the Popular False Teachers and Unbiblical Trends tab in the blue menu bar at the top of this page. Priscilla Shirer is a wife and mom of three boys hailing from the Dallas area. People who are genuinely born again have a hunger and thirst for studying the truth of Gods word and growing in Christ. Like The Gospel Coalition, CARM, Tim Challies, etc?) - Theres lingering sin. Ohmygoodness!!!! Go beyond by faith. WHAT'S THAT SMELL?: People just spiritually delivered by God usually dont smell good. NOW, I have to preface this with this was MANY years ago. Some of the points you bring up give me pause. Romans 4:18. No, I have not confronted Priscilla Shirer about her sin (and thank you for realizing that what shes doing is, in fact, sin). :0), She also hangs out with Beth Moore. Tools. What is certain is that Paul, in saying, "do not go beyond what is written," was not teaching sola scriptura. What do you consider important/non-important and vital/non-vital, and on which Scriptures do you make these distinctions? You know, your making this comment right now is very interesting timing. THIS PRACTICE WAS NOT UNCOMMON IN THE EARLY CHURCH. Today I would like to preach on the thought astonished beyond measure. I am currently getting familiar with blogs for Christian ladies and your thorough, scholarly, biblical recommendations are absolutely invaluable. Yes, all of this is important, NO it is not vital. But growth to spiritual maturity through the study of Gods word and faithful obedience to Him isnt what Priscilla is offering through this study. I am always delighted to answer questions from, and help, women who sincerely want help understanding the problems with a false teacher, understanding Scripture, etc., even if those questions are long. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. #3 Priscilla teaches to listen for Gods voice. Introduction to Beyond Sunday Series: Hey brother Saiko Woods! i listen to Dr. Tony Evans and i love to hear him preach, he is a good pastor and knows the word of God, so i do not understand why all this negativity about his daughter, i agree with the bible about women being pastors, and she is not a pastor according to how much i know about her( i only know about her from war room). but any time I have been to a conference where these women spoke and I looked across an entire arena of seats, very very few of them were occupied by men. Some would call that circular reasoning. Paul's Apostolic Authority 14 We are not overstepping our bounds, as if we had not come to you. Heres why: 1. TEXT: She has no control over who reads her blogs. Also, the small sources dont have skin in the book and lecture circuit game. Then Judah said to Onan, "Go in to your brother's wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother." Romans 15:1 Verse Concepts Now we who are strong ought to bear the weaknesses of those without strength and not just please ourselves. Bushnell Assembly of God If you dont trust the evidence Ive presented here, I encourage you to do your own research. God made you capable and smart enough to read His word in a systematic way, understand it, and grow from it. We would be unified around the truth of Scripture. That is why there is so much confusion in the flock, they dont rebuke the error as Paul did, but are now hobnobbing with them.. In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. Maybe references other than S. Michael Houdmann (I think Michael does a very nice job on his website but he and his wife started GotQuestions.org after he claims to have received a vision from God to help others and by your own admission, visions and feelings are not Godly direction.) - People coming out of sinful lives dont usually smell good. You do not want to get rid of fear entirely. SCRIPTURES YOU CAN USE: I will give them a heart to know Me, for I am the Lord; and they will be My people, and I will be their God, for they will return to Me with their whole heart. She sounds really nice and charismatic and thats about it but my spirit doesnt bear witness with her. Well, that is why the rubber band was made, to be stretched. Check it out and learn about modesty and biblical decision-making. CARM has done articles on Beth Moore, Joyce Meyer, and some other well-known false teachers, which Ive linked to in other articles. There CAN be women from different denominations there, what is so wrong with that? In our modern Often God reveals more through discussions and scripture references. Unfortunately, Word Press doesnt show me that kind of thing until after Ive published my own comment. 1. He said he met with the teachers of the studies and told them to go over and compare everything biblically and under his guidance to finish out the study and after that thereally will be no more Priscilla Shirer in our church. You should learn from us not to go beyond what is written in Scripture. rather than on the Bible. A NIGHTMARE ON DESERT STREET! This is not a new idea. Here is a partial list of things that the Bible does not answer definitively: 1. such as man can bear. There are some instances in which it is biblically permissible for a man to be in the room while a woman is teaching the Bible, but if the men you saw were there for biblical instruction from a woman, they were violating Scripture (see #1 & 2 here https://michellelesleybooks.com/2015/12/18/rock-your-role-faqs/). Now, reading your post, I see that your words against her work and I do not understand why believers behave the way they do against fellow believers. Heres more info. It was stated, that the big name pastors are no where to be found when standing against these deceptions. I really dont want to study scripture with/ from someone who is knowingly sinning by leading His lambs astray. read more, Scripture: Id be interested in hearing what Tony Evans says about his daughters doctrine. Romans 16:17-18 tells us were to mark false teachers and avoid them. Could you point to me where Priscilla suggests that we empty our mind? Holy cow! As a womens leader at your church are you not often asked questions to clarify your personal views? September 1, 2002 Also, and I am not downing what you say, as you obviously have many wonderful people reading your blog, these women are an excellent entry way in to the faith. I shared this post on Facebook the same day my new pastor friend requested me. Pastors dont read LifeWay studies or pay attention to the false teaching crowd, for the most part. Should she repent in these areas in which she has broken Scripture and align herself with biblical principles, she would have no bigger fan than I, and I would rejoice to be able to point Christian women to her as a doctrinally sound resource. You should bring these points about Shirer up to your pastor if her studies are being pushed in your church. Are you into apologetics or something? Beth and Priscilla both disobey this biblical instruction. They needed to be reminded of who the true Christ of Scripture was. if there is a WOMENS Conference, and books written for women, and Bible Studies written for women, all of them are geared to women, they cant really help men being in attendance of their own perogative, It is as old as the Scriptures themselves. How is this different? 2 Timothy 4:5 Verse Concepts I am curious, have you confronted Priscilla Shirer of this sin. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. Yes, thats basically the requirement for salvation, but Christians are required to obey ALL of Gods instructions, including the ones about not joining with people who call themselves Christians yet hold to teachings and beliefs that conflict with Scripture. Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. These believers from different denominations Priscilla references who rattled her theological box may have been part of Priscillas initial exposure to false Word of Faith teaching and false teachers such as the aforementioned Meyer, Caine, and Osteens. Or and be .. Michelle, what do you think about this article? Choose What Is Right: A Study in Discernment ~ Lesson 1- Introduction, Going Beyond Scripture: Why It's Time to Say Good-Bye to Priscilla Shirer and Going Beyond Ministries, The Mailbag: Celebrity Christian Hot Takes (Driscoll, Graham, Groeschel, Lewis, Lucado, Piper, Vallotton), Leaving Lysa: Why You Shouldn't Be Following Lysa TerKeurst or Proverbs 31 Ministries, Doctrinally Sound Christian Men to Follow - 1, Bible Gateway- Fantastic concordance and other Bible tools, CARM- Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry, Christian Answers for the New Age (Marcia Montenegro). Reblogged this on queeninchrist's Blog and commented: Yet, I noticed in your comments that you did not once appeal to Scripture or support your position with Scripture. Thats not an accusation, its a statement of fact. There are two lists of women and two lists of men. Im pretty sure some of our ladies are going to ask me where the evidence is that she was purposely teaching scripture to men. but me and the wife basically just wanted to thank and encourage you sorry for the wall of text! Hi Tiffany- Thanks for asking! Yes, all of this is important, NO it is not vital. For example, the Bible clearly says that women are not to preach to or teach men in the church (2 Timothy 2:12). Going by her recent appearances, she no longer seems to have any reservations about violating the Scriptures that prohibit her from teaching and preaching to men. Lastly, although you are not directly in front of Travis Arnett, Saikowoods, Taylor Dunn & Seth Dunn, all of which are men who have posted here They are Reading & commenting on your comments and blog, thus you are teaching men. BEYOND ENCOURAGEMENT The third, Chris Rosebrough, is Lutheran (AALC), and much of his theology is in line with Reformed theology. read more, Scripture: Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. There is no passage of Scripture that says its OK for a woman to preach to, teach, or hold authority over men in the gathered body of believers as long as she has permission from her pastor or husband. But believers are to grow to maturity in their relationship with Christ and their knowlege of His word. Still, knowing his perspective and the fact that hes her father doesnt change the fact that what Priscilla Shirer is doing is wrong. and before she began she said that she was there under the guidance of her pastor and that if men were present, they should understand that her teachings were meant for women. The Holy Spirit decided that what this church needed to combat that false teaching was a refresher course in Christology (the study of Christ- who He was, what He did, and why). Likewise I will not listen to Beth or Priscilla despite the fact that they are both Southern Baptist {as am I} because they teach false doctrine. In Japan there was a man in the imperial orchestra couldnt play a note. Thanks so much for your comment. The Mailbag: Is It OK for Christian Women to Wear Bikinis? Paul refuted public false teaching publicly many times. Examples: when we Until that time, however, it saddens me to have to recommend that Christian women not follow Priscilla Shirer or any materials or activities from Going Beyond Ministries for the following reasons: Priscilla unrepentantly preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures in violation of 1 Timothy 2:12-14(as well as other passages of Scripture that do not allow this). 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Jakes daughter), Priscilla Shirers promo page at Hillsong, Priscilla Shirer, featured speaker at Hillsongs 2016 Colour ConferencewithBrian Houston, Bobbie Houston, andChristine Caine. In Acts 17:11, the Bereans are praised for comparing everything Paul said to Scripture to see if it was true. Luke 9:1-10:20, Denomination: I've been reading a book by Francine Rivers lately about an old woman called Leota who loves the Lord and has an amazing impact upon the lives of other people in her life, yet is rejected and hated by her own daughter, Eleanor. Dear Michelle, or even some reformed guys or women who speak against Schirer. Maybe Im misunderstanding you, but it sounds like youre saying, Im going to Heaven and thats enough for me. What Priscilla and so many others do is pretty much the opposite of a parable. On October 16, 2016, Priscilla and her husband, children, and mother were in attendance at T.D. Another important point on this subject: Can you think of a Scripture that says pastors can give people permission, guidance, or authority to sin by disobeying Gods word? Second, almost without exception, every female Bible teacher I know of who unrepentantly instructs men also teaches other doctrinal error (usually Word of Faith, New Apostolic Reformation or seeker driven false doctrine). Its this link: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=18085. Do you have any other examples? Im surprised to hear thats her position. Church Of God, CARE MINISTRY WITH THE MESSAGE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST IS IMPORTANT, CALLED TO CARE We are committed to teaching the uncompromising truths of His Word. (And if you need any help getting started, Ive got some resources that will help you under the Bible Studies tab at the top of this page.) Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, From: Choose What is Right: A Study in Discernment- Lesson 1: Introduction. Where does the Bible teach this? Also, if you will read the article hyperlinked at the very top of this article, right underneath the title, where it says, If youre considering commenting it will answer your objections- with Scripture. I guess I have to do some research on those folks. This is not a Church. As a sister in Christ, I believe we should be happy for their success and teaching us the Word of God. 7 Steps to Figuring it Out on Your Own, It Should Happen Rarely, But It Shouldnt Be Ignored | The Outspoken TULIP, Is Priscilla Shirer false teacher? Genesis 24 King James Version (KJV) If you dont sync with their teaching, dont follow them. (Ive addressed that here in case you might be interested.). I thought most people read themselves in scripture. Jesus taught us the way He wanted us to pray. Thank you, Michelle! This is how people learn and grow in their faith. 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